. >> lou: joining us now is congressman louie gohmer, elected to a' term and vice chair of the committee on terrorism and homeland security and served as chief justice for the 12th court of appeals. let's start with the fiscal cliff. i want to go to your call for a special prosecutor. on benghazi, but, going to the fiscal cliff, the speaker making it very clear, that he's going to approach the negotiation of the white house, on the cliff, positively with some sense at least of accommodation, potential accommodation, if his terms are met. that is positive stuff, don't you think? >> well, it is positive. but, there's a lot of pressure, right now, and, of course, pressure is what you can use to take care bonn and make diamonds. this is the time to be bold. this is not the time to be defensive and i'm glad the speaker has come forward with a proposal but, the thing is, we ought to be taking the president's words and sticking them back with him. he wants everybody to pay their fair share. let's do it. let's have capital gains, 15%. let's have income tax, 15%, gift taxes, 15%, let's make sure